Please dont ever stop! This is hell. Your last comment to me when I told you I was giving up on this relationship was. Kim, I totally agree with this article and after dealing with this type of behavior for 34 years of marriage I know this method works great. I self petitioned for my green card under the Violence against women act and have recently received my papers. Im still trying to get my life on track again and deal with a very messy property settlement with him. He doesnt want to decide because then he has to be accountable I know that much. I wish you all peace and kindness in your lives. There is no narcissist worth the effort and life sucking environment they provide. The person that I speak of is the worse case of spiritual soul sickness that I have ever encountered in my nearly 60 years of life and nothing that anyone does can do anything more than put up with for a time until in the end, she gets worse than she was when she was the worse the last time. When I found out and tried to explain to them that, that was not the case they would not renew our lease and we had 30 days to find a new home. Is there anything more I can do bridge the gap? Granted, I cant honestly say I could have done anything differently because by the time I did that, I had nothing left from years of dealing with his disorders. As you have seen it turns into a trial and everyone gets their defences up. The call the police one didnt work for me. This is why they move on so easily. Im tired of the game, the dance, the rollercoaster. Everyday is a challenge. I only hope I will be safe in doing so. I was confused and insecure. I sit here feeling alone, empty, worn outas usual, he was in his funk, I was invisible most of the time to him, his excuse is his job issues(once again). The exercises in The Love Safety net Workbook will help you with this but ultimately you have done the right thing to call his bluff and hold your ground. Then a few months later I found out from you ex-wife that you slept with her several times during the time you spent with her and your kids. Booyah! It is not a control issue, but a stress reliever for your soul. I am weaning myself at the moment out of a relationship with a very toxic individual who was the final nail in my rocky marriage. Hi. No more thinking they can manipulate you and do whatever else they want without having to answer for it. Sure they will probably still get angry when you use these kind of scripts, so you will need to play this carefully and use your own judgement. Sigh:). Im at a loss. I was taught at a young age to be a caretaker my grandmother choose me since I had patience. The emotional and verbal abuse though that I experience sometimes makes me wonder if I would rather he just go ahead and hit me and get it over with (I dont really feel like that Im having a bad day he just finished raging b/c I forgot the listerine)anyway I guess I to order love safety net. When I noticed them missing and asked you, you lied at first and then came to me later to tell me what you did. Slavery works like that; not freedom. It sounds like you have high expectations (perceived) from your partner. As that happens they will most likely begin treating you differently and seeing that they need to earn your respect too. As Kym and others have said living with someone with NPD is at best very difficult and at worst totally impossible. Non sexual but emotional. What there is is putdowns, anger, blaming, no empathy, selfishness, baiting me to get me drawn into arguments, and lack of accountability in the small things in life such as chores or simply doing what he has said he will do in a million small ways. I use to think it was all me, if only I would change, and of course he helped by saying I was right. 7 Be leery of future love bombing. Getting my narcissist significant other to be accountable will never happen. I have survived and will be fine, regardless if he gets better or not! Whats the answer? I knew something was wrong, but I was so accustomed to allowing people to disregard and abuse me that I did give it the attention it deserved. When I ask him about his resistance he replies that hes he scared. Narcissists are excellent crazy makers!! Just as long as I stick to my boundaries. Ive lived with this for 24+ years and I have had it. Hi Hannah, Yes you are right it will not heal itself. Once you see that and live your life as a whole person with thoughts, ideas and etc., of your own, you will flourish. I dont allow myself to be in the position of bad guy these days. He couldnt see any connection to his actions and thought that I was arbitrary and unfair. After a vew weeks he hit the wall just next to my head. As to the books, you may have missed it but I wrote that I have all the books and have been working the workbook and will continue to do so. Holding narcissists ACCOUNTABLE: the DARVO method DoctorRamani 1.26M subscribers Subscribe 10K Share 174K views 2 months ago SIGN UP FOR MY HEALING PROGRAM:. My children and now oldest granddaughter cant believe how I do it with him. Nobody owes you self-denial of gratification, that is simply your own fascist narcissism at work and is an outgrowth of your insecurity. Work on attachment and boundaries (there are defined in The Love Safety net Workbook) before you think about forgiving and the new church sounds great just give it some time. Its very interesting to hear the different experiences people have had. but then it got controlling and he was saying Im not trying enough and that I didnt understand pressure being a mother and I should work full time then youll understand pressure. I have not entered a relationship yet until I am convinced hes relationship material. You called our landlord while being mad at me and told them WE where not going to renew our lease without telling me. Absolute hell. Stay away from anyone who will judge and criticize. Our ongoing battle has been over his ex-wife. 2. Sorry to rant. I have been married for 15 years with two kids with my husband. With two dogs and two horses close to your job, so we could be together and just had lost my mother to cancer two weeks before. I was married to someone who could be defined as a toxic narcissist for thirteen years. The result- she flew into a narcissistic rage and fabricated false allegations against me. I tried and tried to reach her through her anger but the more I tried the more she saw me as someone that was to be looked down upon and treated me even worse. What is response? They cannot put themselves into your shoes and feel or understand. When such small things happen occasionally in a relationship, they might be overlooked. I had broken up with my ex (daughters father) 3 years ago in London. I am sure I forgot somethings if there is any doubt in your mind while I am ending this, read this again until you get it. He was an illusion all along. We are only committed to a few people as a couple. We have to stop becoming fuel for these types of people. During our twenty-eight years of marriage, my husbands manipulation has been very successful in keeping me from many relationships including family, both mine and his. He doesnt seem to be taking me seriously. Rejection. Hes so consumed in his own feelings he actually believes that I hurt him and he is suffering more than I could know, which gives him license to be mean(er). He may not be a gambler but your situation is similar. im from a broken abusuded unluved drug home.my parents were awful.what 1didnt think of that was shady the other1would.they were the greety who took from the week and needy.az long as thier lst dollar was in thier pocket they could care less who suffered.well i do believe in karma.and just in case i may neva get the chance 2 hear or c.i kicked them 2 curb.and all my syblenz.i am the only1 out of 6kdz reached out and got help 4 the hell i lived and seen.but i unlike them have self admitance.i dnt lie or deni i tell it like i c it.that causes waves every where in my life.but i no who i am.i am a mother of 5 beautiful kids and they hear i luv u everyday.and there r reprocutions 4bad choices.and i make sure i praise them when they mk good choices. But I wasnt trusting his intentions. It made me feel alone too. Not sure if hes a narcissist but one thing I do know is he is super nice to everyone else unless they piss him off or what he perceives to be an attack on him from someone usually family/me and he lets strangers/co-workers walk all over him. Keep in mind that you earn more than I do and that I am raising two children. It is ironic but the more you tell these people you care and are concerned about him the more likely they will be to side with you. There is no one answer to this question, as the best way to hold a narcissist accountable will vary depending on the situation and the severity of the narcissist's behavior. He puts on quite a show at times. Ronda Dee. The consequences of his actions in this situation are hard to tell. However if they perceive that they do not need you to feel secure and happy you had better find a way to get out quickly because they have no incentive to check their behaviour. Whatever you do you need to make sure you are safe. Im tired of it and have told him that this isnt working for mehes too irritated and frustrated with me so much of the time, and Im burnt out on the tension and the fighting. and yet, he BLAMES ME and texted me just the other day about how hurt and angry he is. I also take a supplement called laminine (amino acids & FGF) that helps regulate my hormones and neurotransmitters which get out of whack with the roller coaster ride of living with a narcissist and it helps them as well with theses issues eggoflife.com/jseals. There are steps in The Love Safety Net Workbook that will help you create a home environment that builds attachment and trust. She did not present any evidence but seems to have scared the wits out of my male bosses as she implied shed make a sexual harassment claim against them if they did nt follow suit. This is a good thought-provoking article, and the discussions following it are even more interesting. I think for my sanity I just cant talk to him anymore. I fled after just 8 months of marriage. He really didnt want to go back to work because the chaos narcissists try and manage leaves them exhausted. He was a leach and a parasite and I didnt need nor do i want him back. Whenever the narcissist feels threatened, they may use criticism and other forms of emotional abuse to undercut your sense of confidence. But, I dont know if the good is genuine. We would have conversations and he would tell me that I need a spanking, o no. Holding him accountable for mistakes. I look at it like a job now. And thats why its hard. I can only make choices for my self. I am so sorry to hear this Aspen, This is why we put so much stress on you being calm and very careful in how you approach the police. His favorite statement is, No one listens to me. Kush #49 1. After more and more learning and healing, the less I want to give intimacy of any kind to narcissists in the future, because it will never be an equal relationship Kims comment about pulling on the thread [of ones own] superiority really struck a chord- one of the main reasons for staying (besides much love) was, in retrospect, to feel like his hero- which meant feeling a little morally superior to him! Anyones behaviour can seem selfish, irresponsible and mean if it isnt what the other person thinks it should be. Thank you for all your supportive emails that inspire me and others. Im doing it with my friend of five years. I feel it is OK to set the boundry that he needs to decide what he wants or I will have to make decisions on my Own. It just goes to show that there are no single answers. When I get criticism,shouting verbal abuse , for no apparent reason , I know its not me ,just him not able to process You shouldnt be angry or vindictive and instead say something like, I am sorry I didnt do this sooner because it is obvious that you need to learn that this is wrong. I need to know how to respond or do I respond? I dont want to lose him. My friend (who once was my lover) always blames me when we fight and then breaks it off for awhile. Ok, comeback lines for the provocation mentioned before, Kim ideas are welcome: He (saying that doing a favour for one of his attractive female colleagues saved his day, sighing): X, what you are saying hurts me and it reminds of your affair and I instantly feel afraid that you will do this again. (Still do in my heart, although head says differently.). I wish I would have read this yesterday, and after giving kuddos for better communication and then N becoming evasive againI asked if we were o.k. In the meantime you need better security on your house so he cannot break in. Narcissists need to be the center of attention at all times. Now hes drinking more and loves to stay high. You may also look for help from organisations that help the families of problem gamblers in your area. A few weeks later you bought a new one and called my daughter and me over and told us what you did and that you wanted to FIX it and asked her to put it on me. When he recently visited while I was putting bubs to sleep (after a month of serious sleep deprivation which Id been trying to pull some consideration or support from him with)he goes to sleep as soon as he arrives as hes had such a hard day.every day is hard in his world, he does to his credit go over the top. Ive analyzed this thing a zillion times, gone to therapy, gone to grief groups and have come to the conclusion that Im just going to accept that I call him. He is unwilling to change I have tried to work it our for my kids sake hes a good dad Just a lousy husband or even friend to me and I will be the bad guy if I divorce him because no one sees it or wants to. It does hurt tremedously though because I do love him and wanted to marry him one day. I believed him about the stuff about his EX, why wouldnt I, who would have thought a man could make up such immoral disgusting things about another person. Boundary #3: Mistreatment will not be responded to with kindness, overexplaining yourself or increased attention, but rather a withdrawal of investment, time, and energy. Its okay, he doesnt have to believe it. I do believe he misses meand he loves me as much as he is able to love, but this disability is cyclicand I am much too aware of his cycles. It has been a terribly difficult 3 years, but understanding I had to stop being the victim & use techniques Ive learned through you and others, has helped. Ive had my hair pulled, been hit, wakened in the middle of the night by yelling and screaming, breaking objects, punching holes in walls. There are men out there who also face these issues and not all of them are strait. Hi Kate That is a great question. With his having to have things a certain way, hes cost the company money and possibly earned a reputationthat or the boss really does like him and is giving him more responsibilitywho knows, I just know the fall out of it all! 21) You watched me doing side work to meet ends meat, while asking me for more money and letting me pay for 90% of the groceries and other things. Your idea may work but it may also be hard for you to make him carry through on when he gets home. I have experienced all of the above, married to a Narcissist with appears Sociopathic & bipolar tendencies as well. My avenue of communicating with him from closeness instead of opposition was shut down. When I started realizing it all , I was panicking , feeling trapped each passing moment . When a narcissist with a fragile self-esteem is held accountable he breaks into a narcissistic rage. This is, both practically and morally, bad advice. I have to say after reading you article it does make perfect sense. You told me you did not have your car because your brother needed it for work and could not rent a car because you had no credit card. When he starts calling me cheater and liar and states lies as facts no point to argue?? I do feel much more grounded. He was charged with a felony crime for impeding my breath. They strike back hard to try to save their own self or credibility. Eventually he began to say that he couldnt say one word with there being an issue. So I have learned that it is best to let true Narcissist alone, especially those that have untreated and unrecognized borderline along with the condition. Be the happy person you were meant to be and fear nothing! Narcissists engage in hot-and-cold behavior and intermittent reinforcement to keep you hooked in the relationship. What you want is for his doctor to understand that he may be held responsible if he does not take your letter seriously. Positive attention is great for the narcissist but negative attention is crucial to their ability to hold you accountable. So, I think who am I hurting? Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. I was slapped, hit, kicked, bitten, told that I was not a man and it was all my fault for her behaving in such a manner. Now, with the knowledge of what shes doing, I will never try to make sense of her, just my reaction to her. He is well known in Our small community. Or, maybe its just that this network isnt designed for the marriage that has already fallen apart? Thanks to all of you as well. And we are a wealthy family! I have had to do a lot of work on myself to stay balanced in this relationship and understand its worth. I fell in love with what I thought it was a good sense of self, while I was searching for mine. What a joke. Hi Harrison and welcome I understand your feelings and hear that you are hurting. Perhaps hes just a mild case. Do Narcissists Like To Be Held Accountable? This was my effort at not throwing in the towel b/c i just dont believe all Narcs are useless to society. His are exhibited in binge drinking, he states this is to maintain his happiness; he frequently waits for the next weekend to live it up. Let go and let God I say! I set limits and gave consequencesif this happens then this other thing will happen. That will take some time, but our relationship has improved dramatically since I discovered Through The Looking Glass. I agree that at some point when theres no change, you cannot continue. He is a disbarred attorney who signed an amicable divorce decree but of course, has refused to pay a penny and has left us in a mess. Its perfect in every way. 3) You wanted to clean up your credit and had a car repo on it. so many nights i wake up wondering what happened to my sweet man.. Thanks Kim.Unfortunately in my sad little world at the age of 51 I dont have any access to money.I rely on my husband totally.I dont even have a bank acc.Unbelevable I know!I met him when I was 15 and never went onto study.I finished high school,did some courses and did work until I had my children.I was lucky to b a stay at home mom.I did work here and there and when the children left home I did have a job at an animal shelter.I left and went to care in the UK and that was absolutely diasasterous for my marriage.He had women in my home and lived the life of a bachelor.Since then I have not worked.I live in a small town and work is really hard to come by.Also I wld have to use his car which he constantly threatens me with.At my age I have no confidence because I am constantly told how thick and stupid I am.I do all my own housework,cooking and so forth.Also every job Ive had hes accused me of having affairs with someone.I dont want to come across as the victim here but thats how it is.My husband has his own business of which I know nothing abt because he says it has nothing to do with me.I have tried to push the issue and get involved but to no avail.So yes,I wld love to purchase ur books but sadly cant,thats why I go online and try and read all I can wherever.Thanks for your time. Looking back on a long-term relationship with a Narcissistic bf, I see I had big delusions about us both For a year we worked hard using Kims materials- which worked really well- to the point where I no longer felt weak or controlled, and my partner altered behavior beyond what Id ever (EVER) thought possible! Dont engage, it leaves them stunned. What (they) choose to believe is irrelevant. I have returned to college studying the medical field, I am on the honour role which opens my eyes to the fact that I am not dumb and stupid like he drummed into my head for so many years. I do love him. 2 Flaunt how happy you are without them. If you respect yourself enough to stand up for your own interests this will earn others respect too. . Mine has just finished with me saying that he cannot deal with my mood swings. She calls every email I send her Diatribes which tells me 1) she doesnt give a good rats ass about my feelings or opinions 2) dismisses my opinion yet expects me to hear her out every time!If I told you everything about our relationship I would write a 10 volume encyclopedia! The other problem we first had was that he thought that i was there to be angry at if he was upset about anything (even if it had nothing to do with me) I explained him immediately that i was not there for that reason. Over all control of the money. Ive now found myself again, and this website. It will put all of these blog pages, information, and the events and/or what is happening within your life into a healthier perspective. Ive also had to realize that I am a classic co-dependent and always thinking we can somehow get back to the way things wereor at least how I fantasize they were. Hi Ann, I certainly agree with Kim. When someone is being selfish and KNOWS theyre being selfish or not accountable for bad behavior, I really want them to understand how mean and hurtful theyre being, and how theyre creating fallacies merely to rationalize it to escape blame. I also bought the codependency book. We are going to change this? I gave him a choice he choose wrong and he is definitely suffering the consequences. Or there may be situations where there is nothing to say you simply need to stop protecting them. Excessive Demands on Others The last time I tried, he beat me so badly that I almost lost my life. He then made one last effort saying he wanted to see if he could salvage the marriage and his offer was that he would be willing to stay in the marriage, but I should not look to him to be a husband in any way. He remains unaccountable for everything and so much more. What I have learned is that I can not control or make another person accountable for their action. I kept thinking I was going crazy. Perhaps your local mental health team? If they find someone else who thrives on this, they'll fall in love quickly. Meanwhile the lunatics are still carrying on the same as before, just with whoever will tolerate them, those poor people have my sympathy. If you havent checked out the information on this please see the links at the top right hand of this page. And I wonder if you may be co-dependent if it is not merely the grieving process of a break up. The best thing you can do is work on your own codependence. Please! (exhausted). Surely anyone married to a person with a mental health condition or personality disorder and who is at risk of being emotionally, psychologically or physically harmed is entitled to a dissolution of their marriage. I couldnt believe what I heard coming from him. And to start a business that my name is on, 51% mine and that it will buy his business. 5. Very simple. Hey Welcome Radioactive and perfectly said! I cant continue this with the emotional scares he is dragging my daughter through as he plays daddy for the last four years then suddenly heads for the hills to go MIA without an explanation. Its all straight from the heart and tells it like it really is. This is certainly difficult. As long as we feel the need for validation from them, we are still in that trap of hoping for real emotions and caring from these people, and there is nonejust more manipulation for their own gratification. My husband asked for a divorce November 2012 and we are in the process. Holding a person accountable for what they did in the past is a waste of time and should be forgotten. Back From the Looking Glass may be important if he returns and the fighting starts again. This method of dealing with it is the only one that has any positive results. Apologies, crying baby, spelling mistakes and unfinished sentences above. They're ignoring you and making themselves inaccessible to you. hi Kim I just read Back from the looking glass, I cannot wait to get a plan going and start this long journey. But she always thought I was better than her. Don't fall for the temptation to sink to their level. I am over him but we have 3 kids and he has created a life of hell for all of us. Keeping rapport at the same time as setting boundaries is tough but a balancing act that helps a person become a better leader for sure! Everything that goes wrong is always someone elses fault and no matter how logical you are, they will continue to twist and turn their way out of the argument, even if they have to swear the sky is green. I am still married and my husband and i are now really good friends so that had a happy ending. I know that I need to be patient and quiet.. Sounds great, but if all others enable, they do not bear the consequencesany wisdom on how to get his family/my family to stop enabling him so I am not assaulted again? You have expressed perfectly what it feels like to be in a relationship with a narcissist. In my heart I know its not over, but things are far from good! Life got really calm, respectful and enjoyable. You did nothing to help in the process and blamed me because the house had to be in my name, since your credit was bad. You are right when you say talking does no good. Right or wrong, I had to write this, of you each decide for themselves. You need to start today. Aue, what to do when theres a little one involved? The means of asking for money at the very last minute, the lack of initiate to look for work, and his explosiveness and blaming when he does not receive money he asks for; has now led me very strongly to believe he is narcissist. Kim, I havent yet bought your book Looking Glass. Good luck everyone. I dont trust home to not jack this up too! "I definitely attribute some of my anxiety to this. Narcissists are not in touch with their own feelings. Keep the love flames going and learn to forget the past. They avoid spending time with you, especially in public. He has been a major womanizer and into porno all my married life. Learn yours also. Do not include anything about your relationship. But ultimately, I realized that when I enjoyed being with him, it was because I imagined he had real empathy, and like Ann, in difficult times, though he was sometimes kind, it hurt that he obviously couldnt feel for me unless it was really feeling for himself. MARIE, I hope everyone reading this blog is able to share a genuine laugh or smile today. 7) During an argument I lost the necklace that you knew my 11-year-old daughter bought for me the previous Christmas. It depends on what they are is the role he will play. Have you tried instead of putting some effort into your relationship, like ask not what you want rather what you are prepared to give have you tried calling him and just saying I didnt hear from you so i called you up instead it may be possible that you both have expectations of each other yet will not humble yourselves to give to the relationship. The Control Freak This parent sees their child as a person whose role in life is to make them happy and do as they say. Hope that the blindness of narcissism, the torment it brought to our marriage, and the happiness it stole, will somehow heal itself, like a cut on a finger. But those same tips and advice allowed me to safely leave without it turning into an ugly situation.
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