Most novices wouldnt know how to properly handle something like this, so it was probably someone experienced with computers. Perhaps Kris is already caught in the trap and thats why she is in a funny position and her waist is drawn in tight. She is not tied up, there is no rope around her waist and there are no hidden or blurry people in the photo. So they made it out of there, The picture with her standing at cave entrance is also the same place she was standing in dark way off in background. However, when theres monetary interests involved, especially within key industries I give those ulterior motives some weight and consideration. Like jaguar? Highly probable. Cheers. There is nothing ominous or cause for concern in this particular pic. I think murder is quite likely. The plane was located with the help of Bruce's Legacy, as well as a local family whose boats were used in the mission, Lewitinn said. The jungle was searched for another ten days with the help of the cops from the Netherlands - but there was no sign of the girls. To Janice To me it looks as if shes holding up one hand cupping her ear as if to hear something being shouted to her. I hope one day they will find more answers. Does anyone else see what looks like the back of someones head, their bare back and arm inside the manmade circular object? Something happened between the morning and afternoon of the 5th because it was in the afternoon that a wrong pin was entered and subsequently every time thereafter. Also, the other ones arent covered by man-made support structures. Your email address will not be published. This link answers some of those questions: Kris Kremers Case: The People Involved (Reference Guide). Perhaps the owner had an underlying influence/incentive to express conviction in his or her statement about the dog. Theres a circular object hanging to the left of Kris. The pictures taken were used to place Kris in pictures on the Mirador with Lisanne. Also important is who they met because two tall and very attractive new arrivals would certainly get all the boys tongues wagging. You said it seems to me that they want to destroy the investigation I agree with you that it seems intentional to some degree. & is that some sort of an entrance to a cave or another makeshift structure shes crouching to take a look inside- or is a part of the trail in that spot purposefully made lower & narrower in order to pass through? Jane, Recently I have been reading that it is not unusual for people that hike or run in dangerous places and go missing that a shoe with a foot is found. Ive kept comments on this article open for civil and respectful discussion. If you find more info about this, please feel free to share it. as soon as u see 1 photoshopped pic u know something is wrong,, the bag turned up to keep the police from searching the jungle. There is much speculation about the night time fotos made using the Cannon. There seems to be no pictures of the dog. Dimedes Abrego - 12 years in prison. If you dont know the story, I recommend you visit the link at the bottom of this page. I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PIT PICTURE FOR YEARS, YOU CLEARLY SEE A GATELIKE STRUCTURE OVER THE PIT. Again, I stress that these kind of murder cases are frequently shut down by the media of the country at the direction of the government. She has no idea that her parents are about to arrive in Panama. I know if I was hiking and wandering in the jungle (and presumably possibly lost although not quite realizing this at this point), I would be curious about a manmade structure like this. Its a complex topic. Hello Chris, did you ever get any background on the statements made by Joseph? After the alarm was raised on April 2, a search party was sent to look for them but nothing was found until ten weeks later when a local woman who found Froons blue backpack turned it in to authorities. 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I also live in a third-world country about which it was said that investigations were shut down, or botched, to protect the tourist industry. I can assure you that is nonsense. Why? Probably something like peanut butter, which is a typical energy-dense low cost food carried by people who are traveling light. From my understanding, the various teams communicate with each other about which parts of the case they are investigating, and collaborate occasionally to share information. Is there a head count of how many people have perished using the hiking trail in, say the last 10 years? Yes, this was taken after their photos at the Mirador. The theory of being lost is so plausible in a Jungle but then the photos .. the speculation can never end. Be careful. This lady, Pitti, she is under much suspicion as she practically botched the investigation efforts with her repeated lack of discipline in collecting and documenting and directing the case. Los expertos en conductas humanas (psiclogos, antroplogos, etc. Does this take a high level of tech knowledge and a computer? From Chriss other article it seems the girls took a taxi to the hiking starting point? The sun is shining right into her eyes so shes squinting and bending down a bit to see her friend, who was probably talking to her while snapping the photo. That said, tourists wear shorts and sandals because they are not used to the heat or aware of such social norms. In reality, I dont think someone would go to this extent. I have no idea. The deaths of more than 4,680 people have been documented during migration in Asia since 2014, often linked to the exodus of the Rohingya from Myanmar. The simplest explanations are most likely to be the correct explanations. Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? We usually permit our commenters to publish links to external material, and you are welcome to do the same. I hope someday the family has answers. Meanwhile, on April 2, 2014, the pairmissed their appointment with their hired tour guide. March 3, 2023, 7:57 AM. Rest fell off of the one hour bridge in Bastrop brains and on the rocks below some photos show her dead body laying down there. Why would the perpetrators concoct all of the photo/backpack evidence? The dog found his way home. Looks like 2 blurred out people one talker than other behind her over her left shoulder or her left when looking left of pic. The pair had been hiking around the jungle for two weeks as part of a backpacking trip - and they were planning to stay for another four weeks with their host family to volunteer at a local school. Also, Im looking forward to reading the new book as well, particularly what Pitti has to say. thank you for sharing this. However, its still possible. Rainfall probably washed the bag into the water. The supporting pole is diagonal from upper right to lower middle indicating the path is beginning to head down. So that is what she discovered here. She is looking down to the left and appears to be shocked by what she sees. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lMUOsoUME0Q/YLJzTuPRWbI/AAAAAAAAHDc/431BbuGq2PQEgxV65djGrwcBUCL5BEh8QCLcBGAsYHQ/s486/closeupkrs.jpg. The blood on her leg is, again, a shadow. Didnt they cross the line where it had a clear sign not to cross it? Who would do this, and why? I do see the supports and I think thats manmade also. I realize that its more interesting to make things more ominous than they are but this is a very sad case of two naive girls who were totally unprepared for their adventure and very sadly got lost, injured and succumbed to nature. Dog owners here are not mindful of where their dog goes the owners are tending to their own life: working, raising children, running a business, or resting during the hot days. I think that I read somewhere that something blue was found on one of the shoes. Hi Chris thanks for the link to the book. It doesnt matter. Sue and Dennis Borries are pictured in an undated image. She must therefore be in a house or building of some kind and therefore being kept prisoner at least for the 8 days before that photo was taken. Were their phones not able to text? But in the last year, several mass graves have been unearthed, revealing to the world a dark practice of human sacrifice which is thriving in the jungles of Panama. Or if someone deleted them? The Lost Girls of Panama: The Full Story ^ From that point the trail leads over another dangerous cable bridge, and two more rickety plank swing-bridges, before reaching the Ngobe village of Alto Romero on the banks of the Culebra. Fortunately, theres a lot of work still underway from private investigators and researchers. If it is a photo-op, why is Kris not waving her hands or something. How many tourists go to Australia? Cheers. Especially the beams and details, and the cave behind her. Can you provide more information about photos of the girls being in bad shape? Jeroen Jumulet / Stringer / AFP / Getty Images, Blue returned from the hike unaccompanied. The backpack being found with all its contents including money and not even dirty let alone wet after weeks of constant rain-found a day after the area was checked. I cover a lot of these things in my other comprehensive article regarding Kris Kremers Bones: There are simply too many variables involved to oversimplify the case with the conclusion that they got lost. Are any of you familiar with the missing 411 phenomena? Such a tragedy. 2. If a cave was found that would be big news and there could be DNA evidence inside it. Again, these are just observations. Shame! incredibly complicated for a new story to be written. Im sure that when they left on that short hike that their intention was to be back home before dark and to be back to the host home for supper on time. Hence the bras and everything safely stacked in the backpack together both girls sunglasses and both girls phones (otherwise each girl would be carrying her own phone). Easily done, I have done that myself several times. Two young women, who dont take any risks, go for a trip in the jungle and get lost in a mysterious way? The whole scene is odd why is Lisanne (if it was her) standing miles away? There was one person that said that the dog left with them when they set out on their hike. Perhaps the killer of Catherine Johanet knows more, Hi, u might want to watch this vid it has theories dat i think might giv more insights to this case, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCaD8kRTwsI. They place the evidence where it can be found, brining the matter to a close. Only a fool thinks they were attacked by people. I dont think so. In the days following the students' disappearances, authorities conducted footand aerial searches. Celebrity. Also the path looks to be a dried up river vs a man made path. Hi Abrahm, thank you for your comment. If so then those could tell some information. There is no question thats what it is. "It is our intention -- almost exactly one month following this tragic accident -- to give proper thanks to all those who supported our families during this difficult time, as well as to have many outstanding questions answered by way of a swift and thorough investigation," the families said in a joint statement. Most of the pictures taken on April 8 are of complete darkness while some show the jungle floor, but two pictures are alarming: one is a picture of some of the girls belongings on a rock, and the other shows the back of Kremerss head with what appears to be a bloodstain in her hair. Sadly, shortly after, she meets someone she fears and call the police. Its worth mentioning how the police found out that someone tried unlocking Kris Kremers phone, but failed to do so. I suspect the food may have been left with them when they were abandoned by drug traffickers (who initially abducted them on April 1st) after Kris was hurt crossing the monkey bridge. After a second look, I found that the Yahoo article specifically states that it was 17 foreigners belonging to another sect, but Yahoo was somewhat unclear Foreign can have a lot of meanings in this context. But shes too far out now. Phone records. And if suspects were clicking photos, and knew how to operate a smartphone, they would not return the phones. Sometimes that is all that is found. She looks disorientated almost. I live in a third world country and sometimes tourists come to grief. Thanks for your consideration with this comment. This eliminates all questions about why didnt the girls call X, Y, Z. The FBI and others have continuously tried to stonewall him from publicly making these cases and their bizarre circumstances publicly known. Hi Rune (and Stian), great points. Sometimes I refer back to the Story of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, the two girls that made international headlines in 2014 when they disappeared in the northwest region of Panama. Often, they. the only strange element in this photo is the distance. At first glance I just thought she was looking for something. The original plan had been for them to disappear without a trace, like so many other people in that part of Panam, but when the reward money was offered, they decided to fabricate a narrative in which the two girls had mysteriously lost their way on the trail. If you are in the middle of the jungle, lost, and desperately trying to find service, why waste your battery by logging into your phone. Regarding the existing photos its a big mess. However, I cannot say for certain because I do not know why the owner would fabricate this part of the story. They obviously protect the predator(s). Required fields are marked *, I just gave the brief overall story of what I think happened. Someone watched them swimming. I know that in previous photos there are trenches like this one naturally occurring throughout the jungle due to erosion, but this one doesnt appear to be from that. There IS anecdotal info that Lisannes BF made contact with her at 1400 or so on the 1st April but maybe that was Dutch time not Panama time? Thank you for reading. I wish there were more answers to what happened. Keep in mind nobody has seen all of the photos and we dont know why. See the State Department's travel website for the Worldwide Caution and Travel Advisories. Sue Borries and Debra Ann Velleman are pictured in undated composite image. This tribe was not located near the area where Kris and Lisanne disappeared, and therefore, in no way can be connected to the disappearance of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon. The students' phone records also tragically revealed how they desperately tried to call the police. Could fishing line be being used to secure all this making it hard to see, & could that blue object on the ground be part of the roof device- step on it & it triggers it or something like that? I think its possible the red and black object is actually just a reddish-brown dead plant leaf jungle leaves can get rather large. However being one of the last photos taken this location would be incredibly important to have investigated back in 2014 (or even still). Its up to the public now the government closed the case 6 years ago. And it seems to be leading to a dead-end. Hello and thank you for doing such a thorough research. Theres a blood splatter on her leg from her tendon being cut, to keep her from running away. More info here. I like the wit and sarcasm. If the dog was with them, we cannot know for how long, nor why the dog left the girls. The lower orange being around the belly area. Also I see a black pipe if you look carefully near one of the red and black objects the one that was circled. and then found by someone and then the real nightmare started. The dog came back, but the young women didn't. Thats from her palm. Hi Chris..I just came across this story yesterday and it was really sad and disturbingI hope the truth comes out too. We can only speculate without more evidence of that. P.S. Why is no one talking about what appears to be a rock painting or a carving 3-4 feet in front of her? Could be leaves, I suppose, but to me it looks like someone is looking at the them from the vegetation. In a mind-blowing theory, Dick Steffens, a former detective in Amsterdam, claimed Kris could still be alive after she was trafficked into the sex trade by a kidnapper roaming in the jungle. Yes! Hi Chris, i heard of this case a few months ago and i read many articles about it. The mans face is clearly visible standing behind the rock with the red bags. What I find most concerning is her face. That and the deleted photo make me for first time in my studies of this incident start to suspect foul play, but well never know. This means either the user became incapacitated and was not operating the phone or was seriously confused. This is the reason that police, journalists and military personnel often disappear and governments struggle to combat crime, not to mention corruption within law enforcement itself. You can see a kind of nose and lips. These other comments are just people seeing what they want to see, to make things more mysterious. Its very disappointing to see the comment sections on this website to be allowed to turn into a very disrespectful and unfunny joke. The world may never know what happened to the pair, but speculation still runs wild. Fingerprints were not investigated. The families are now working on having the womens' remains brought back to the U.S., he said. Like you would get from being hit. I also see something above the brown circle, like a ring of colored balls or ???? So without doubt, someone tampered with the photos to some degree. Very interesting and completely changed my mind. Also last year, 22-year-old Florida man Craig Taylor was found strangled to death on a dirt road in Punta Sam, north of downtown Cancun. Since they were two young women from Europe, I can easily see the possibility that they offended the wrong man. History is not a science but it can include some science. Please support us we cant do it without you. She decided to attempt to reach her friend, or help via phone. Also, aserial killer might have stalkedtheir area at the time. More info here. There have been several mass graves uncovered there in the last year alone. Most fingers seem to point to the Panama authorities, who have also been blamed for a poor initial search in the immediate days after the disappearance. The point is that all of this case was poorly handled by the authorities. Do the additional photos reveal anything more? He wants the gringos to go away and leave him in peace. Rocko Akira Clapp. Hi Anna, yes, Im aware of that and thank you for shedding light on that for other readers. Please remember to be considerate of the two girls that lost their lives and their families. I suppose incompetence runs at many levels. One could argue that the inherent risk of traveling to under-developed countries is exciting for the reason that theres potential danger and less authoritative control. She turns to talk Lisanna I believe that the case was handled so poorly that it leads one to believe that it was intentionally handled as such. Should have read this before I commented lol. I have spent a lifetime walking in the forest near my home and I dont see the odd things that people see. I wouldnt give mine out to my best friend, not even to my wife. Some suggest that they could they have seen something that they didnt want the rest of the world to see. I really feel that this place is the key to what happened to the girls. Perhaps the women were lured there to be shown something. The land behind her is definitely at a higher level and could be rock. Therefore, this can prove that the likelihood of a third party being involved is very high. On the original, her face doesnt look like that at all. Call us in Washington, D.C. at 1-888-407-4747 (toll-free in the United States and Canada) or 1-202-501-4444 (from all other countries) from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m., Eastern Standard Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays). Is this in dispute? For the most part, foreigners are just caught in the middle. Then uses the flash to take many photos of the area, so she can return for Kris after finding help. Thanks for the observation. Do mobile phones store the number entered? I have read several of the books. So I see men in the cave. Are you familiar with the Koude Kaas blogs about this case? I would prefer to stay anonymous and off the website, so you have permission to use my email. The government intentionally did not investigate key pieces of information: fingerprints, phone records, locals in the area, other forms of DNA. scary A woman from the localNgbetribeturned in a blue backpack she claimed she found along the bankof a nearby river. They are free now. Right hand is on her hip/slightly behind back, the left is hanging down on her side or in her pocket I cant tell. I lean towards the third-party theory although I recognize the conflicting aspects of that theory. Too many coincidences. For more background and insight, please feel free to read some of the disappearance stories Ive written about: https://imperfectplan.com/disappearances/. It is clear they contributed much to this by their actions. The night time photos are not relevant but the result of someone playing with the camera. But, then again this whole case is pretty unbelievable whether you believe they did or didnt meet foul play. Right above it. The Sun website is regulated by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), Our journalists strive for accuracy but on occasion we make mistakes.